I have to say I don't agree with @fediforum who consider #Bluesky part of the #fediverse.
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I have to say I don't agree with @fediforum who consider #Bluesky part of the #fediverse. Is Bluesky making any attempts to interoperate with other fedi services that I'm not aware of?
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I have to say I don't agree with @fediforum who consider #Bluesky part of the #fediverse. Is Bluesky making any attempts to interoperate with other fedi services that I'm not aware of?
Completely agree. Since when does the Fediverse include Bluesky? Fediverse has always been about ActivityPub connected platforms. #Bluesky runs on a different protocol that has some interesting development activity but is still almost entirely centralized in one VC backed corporate company. That most every issue of something called Fediforum is mostly about AT Protocol and Bluesky is confusing and is kind of another example of usurping ActivityPub's mojo.
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Completely agree. Since when does the Fediverse include Bluesky? Fediverse has always been about ActivityPub connected platforms. #Bluesky runs on a different protocol that has some interesting development activity but is still almost entirely centralized in one VC backed corporate company. That most every issue of something called Fediforum is mostly about AT Protocol and Bluesky is confusing and is kind of another example of usurping ActivityPub's mojo.
All that said, while the focus has lately been more on ATProtocol @LaurensHof does put in a lot of hard work covering ActivityPub too. It's just that grouping both under the Fediverse umbrella is incorrect and a disservice to the Fedi ecosystem. They call their ecosystem the ATmosphere. Maybe "ATmosphere Report" would be better name for a journal largely focused on Bluesky technology.
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All that said, while the focus has lately been more on ATProtocol @LaurensHof does put in a lot of hard work covering ActivityPub too. It's just that grouping both under the Fediverse umbrella is incorrect and a disservice to the Fedi ecosystem. They call their ecosystem the ATmosphere. Maybe "ATmosphere Report" would be better name for a journal largely focused on Bluesky technology.
@mastodonmigration @sendung @LaurensHof The text on our home page could perhaps be improved. While some consider the entire hybrid network of AP and ATProto connected by fed.brid.gy to be the Fediverse, others do not and as a conference, we don't really want to take a position on that.
What if we rephrased it "The Fediverse, Mastodon and ActivityPub. The ATmosphere, Bluesky and AtProto. Bridges between them..."
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@mastodonmigration @sendung @LaurensHof The text on our home page could perhaps be improved. While some consider the entire hybrid network of AP and ATProto connected by fed.brid.gy to be the Fediverse, others do not and as a conference, we don't really want to take a position on that.
What if we rephrased it "The Fediverse, Mastodon and ActivityPub. The ATmosphere, Bluesky and AtProto. Bridges between them..."
@fediforum @sendung @LaurensHof
Understand the desire to cover both and you do a great job of it. But they are not both in the Fediverse, and the fact of a very imperfect bridge between Mastodon, one Fediverse platform, and Bluesky, does not confer Fedi status on Bluesky. They are both distributed social media protocols, so maybe "Distrbuted Social Report" or "Open Social Report".
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@fediforum @sendung @LaurensHof
Understand the desire to cover both and you do a great job of it. But they are not both in the Fediverse, and the fact of a very imperfect bridge between Mastodon, one Fediverse platform, and Bluesky, does not confer Fedi status on Bluesky. They are both distributed social media protocols, so maybe "Distrbuted Social Report" or "Open Social Report".
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@fediforum @sendung @LaurensHof
The reason this is particularly frustrating is that ActivityPub pioneered distributed social media and created the Fediverse. It has been hard to get people to comprehend the value of decentralization, but over the years people came to understand it as a good thing. So, Bsky shows up with a new protocol and an 'operationally centralized' maybe distributable someday platform and starts calling it distributed when for all practical purposes it's not.
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@fediforum @sendung @LaurensHof
The reason this is particularly frustrating is that ActivityPub pioneered distributed social media and created the Fediverse. It has been hard to get people to comprehend the value of decentralization, but over the years people came to understand it as a good thing. So, Bsky shows up with a new protocol and an 'operationally centralized' maybe distributable someday platform and starts calling it distributed when for all practical purposes it's not.
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@fediforum @sendung @LaurensHof
And now, we learn that the Fediverse isn't the Fediverse anymore. It's the Fediverse plus Bluesky. It's like the football team crashed the party.
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@fediforum @sendung @LaurensHof
And now, we learn that the Fediverse isn't the Fediverse anymore. It's the Fediverse plus Bluesky. It's like the football team crashed the party.
@fediforum @sendung @LaurensHof
Let's ask a question. What percentage of the next FediForum is going to be devoted to ATProtocol stuff vs. Fedi (ActivityPub) stuff?
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@fediforum @sendung @LaurensHof
Let's ask a question. What percentage of the next FediForum is going to be devoted to ATProtocol stuff vs. Fedi (ActivityPub) stuff?
@mastodonmigration @sendung @LaurensHof FediForum is an unconference, which means attendees decide on the sessions on the day of the event. So as organizers, we do not know upfront what they will put on the agenda.
Historically, FediForum has had far more ActivityPub-related sessions than those related to other protocols, e.g. look at the session notes and demos from last time: https://fediforum.org/2024-09/
Note that many are really protocol-independent on larger issues.
